When one happens upon a URL that leads direcrtly to Catholic Answers, what is one to assume? He is a professor, having taught Greek, Systematic Theology, and various topics in the field of apologetics. I ask this only because I believe you are a Christian, a loved and precious child of Christ, washed clean in the Blood of the Lamb. Instantly, in truth, at the end of this sentence, as if before a peaceful light streaming into my heart, all the dark shadows of doubt fled away. I see what Mr. White is trying to get at here, but this only describes the temporal portion of the canon, and in doing so it seems to ascribe to God a sense of learning, as if He didnt know what he would write from the beginning. Youre just employing sarcasm alone which would lead anyone to believe you dont have anything substantative to add to it so, can I safely assume argument is over and all this hubub about Dr. White always being so wrong is a fabrication of a bunch of people who have never actually read Dr. White to begin with? I tried to summarize the arguments that you posted. By that logic, I have a relationship of some form with Mr. Spock Ive been a fan for years, and have put up posts about him. Enoch GOD knows who did it, but one thing can be certain, NO PROTESTANT would go through such extremes let alone steer folks to Catholic Answers.. should have bowed to those weak Catholic sensibilities in this matter of humor. Posted by: CareBear | Aug 10, 2007 2:43:59 PM We deserve the Klan. We should make this 700 post combox into a book eventually, and market it to tghe insane it will sell really well. Name Server: (Stuffed animals notwithstanding..). Thank you for finally providing something with which to work. It is Augustines antithesis all over again. The simple fact is: Jimmy is willing to be cross-examined in public on his own blog blatantly going against the grain of the general tone around here Now that you have the answers to questions like, What does alpha mean? and What does omega mean?, and also have found some exciting alpha omega tattoo designs, you can certainly understand that a lot can be done with these tattoos. It is regionally accredited and offers PhDs in religious studies and philosophy. 4. By the by, http://www.jameswhite.org for the CA website url? Wasnt there a guy who was good at this, whats his nameChick or something? Are you that irrational? Emmanuel, soldiers funerals. Just how have I lied, CareBear? Your posts have said it. And mayb3e a little too much moral relativism going on here too. But, in the first place, not all inspired writers have been prophets or workers of miracles; in the second place, in order that prophecies or miracles may serve as proof of inspiration, it must be clear that the miracles were performed, and the prophecies were uttered, to establish the fact in question; in the third place, if this condition be verified, the testimony for inspiration is no longer merely human, but it has become Divine. Sarcasm is fine, but only within restricted groups. God became man. 1. Many have said already: Whites actions are designed to deliberately repel the very same people he seeks to convert. Dont you? Talk about the pictures. When did you authoritatively establish what His revelation is? Was the New Testament Reliably Transmitted from its Authors? I like this blog a lot and Jimmy personally (from what I know of him, I never met him) That is in plain English. true faith is alway accompanied by works. As I mentioned on this thread and on the Amazing. I seem to recall even Aristotle thinking circles in logic might be OK if they were small enough. Dave Armstrong wasnt stoned to death for doing that. NEVER!!!! Posted by: Foxfier | Aug 14, 2007 1:10:05 PM Shortly thereafter (either as part of the original objections or in one of the immediate follow-ons) he makes what looks like a really nasty personal jibe or two. What in the world does that have to do with anything, other than you assume Divine insufficiency? After 30 minutes of accusations, he responds not with a dissertation, but with maybe a single paragraph worth of words, mostly from scripture, and always ending with a question that is not intended to be answered, but something to be contemplated on. The Doctor nonsense is ironic beyond words. Seeing as you cant do something if you dont know about it which would be unable and if you know of something, but dont want to, youre unwilling, and if you know of something but cant do it, you are unable. Let him who boasts boast in the Lord. For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends. You can apply any law you want, it doesnt mean its valid. Heh Its funny that you should say that Im the one with the Conspiracy Theories when it was you who stated: No, I was saving them seats. Compare the iconoclasm, similar views on divine election, disdain for priesthood, and belief that the individual can read scripture outside of any binding authoritative framework, and voila: Critical similarities between Reformed Christianity and Islam. So, what was your point? from Columbia If your brother sins, rebuke him, and *if he repents*, forgive him; and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven, and says, I repent, you must forgive him. Luke 17:3-4. Hmmmmm, What questions has ChurchMouse asked specifically? As for using the pictures, at least they have made people think about the meaning of charity in communicating Gospel truth. Whose fruit is this squabbling between Jimmy and James? So whos got the guts to step up and make the call next Tuesday? SeanPatrickCornell. Or are you helping White with whatever it is that he wants? The Epistle to Corinth I thought the 9/11 terrorists died in the crashes? I beg those who are on the other side of the fence to remember that if we do not respond with love to those we disagree with, we are guilty of a sin very little different from Dr. Whites. Funny. Just because Dr. White may personally see his pictures as levity and humorous sarcasm, in a Christian sense, he is And the illogic of sola scriptura is so simple: Its not in the scriptures. Thank you James White, and God bless you. I checked the flow of my tears and got up, for interpreted this solely as a command given to me by God to open the book and read the first chapter I should come upon. I am an expert in humor and its analysis and I am speaking within my field of competence. I fully deny that White has in even the slightest way held to the high ground, and I deny that he is the most wronged. In that sense, only Jesus can save him. I just want to make a quick comment. We recently had an international conference on humor where we had a session that analyzed these types of failed jokes. Its kind of part of the package deal of being a confessing sinner. My identity does not derive from protesting against someone elses errors. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected. Isnt that a littleobsessive? Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church (Matt. Its certainly pointless by now, being a well-blasted trench, seeing as we are now fighting White War MCXLVI. Such humor detracts from any reasonable discussion, and if Jimmy thinks its useless to continue discussing things with White, thats his prerogative. Whew, that's good stuff!!! ;^). You shouldnt cut-and-paste a huge amount of garbage into someone elses com box. Thats painfully difficult to square with a heretofore-unrevealed admiration for any aspect of the mans argument. The two actions are neccesarily linked in fulfilling the one purpose of God. The set of circumstances that would lead another James R. White in the US to register that domain (as a .org, no less) and forward it to catholic.com is unreasonable, as well. In that respect, StubbleSpark, I appreciate your adventurous thinking, though it seems to me that we do need some lumps to go with our cake. I suppose I should brush up on my regulations though, that or Mr. Akin should deal with the issues. I follow, specifically, the successor of Peter, because Christ gave to Peter (and only to Peter) the keys of the Kingdom, and promised that the gates of Hell should not prevail against Christs Church. Did you have something of substance you wanted to say, or were you just going to back me up in a sarcastic manner. Brother, I guess its out of a vain hope. that should read White antagonistic to Catholics Aug. 11, 11:19 am which I corrected within minutes when I realized I had not proofread it. Second, is it every Scripture is God-breathed or every God-breathed Scripture is Had to start of with a few minutes on the posthumously published book from Joseph Ratzinger. You even share Whites clueless arrogant martyr complex. Because I dont really think its worth the time. No, because Romanists go straight to Hell where they belong, didnt you already know that??? This does not mean that White does not know anything. White then argues that the clarity of the Canon (mediated) is not dependant upon human beings, councils etc. I dont care to read about James Whites brilliant forays into apologetics in this thread. Not that Im asking right now. Sheesh. Esua, Simply put, God knew both the Rule of Scripture and the Text of Scripture before it was ever written. He seems to leave it up to the individual, and seems to assume that each individual will personally experience divine revelation regarding the proper Canon. Should we leave them the impression that the claims against us are irrefutable? Thus I wanted to lay out some of my thoughts briefly. Only the King James Bible hasn't been tampered with! Surely you are not all like that Are you? Satanic Easy-To-Read Version 1. So God will providentially preserve the Scriptures and lead His people to a functional, sufficient knowledge of the canon so as to fufill His purposes in inspiring them, and he provide a mechanism for doing just thatthe Church. In Christ, Does the Bible come with an owners manual? A person who believes what this man teaches (see his blasphemy against God in his London -Godtube program) should be calm and saying to the rest of the world, what are these people worried about; God has already saved those who are savable. And theres your essential problem. You cant. And if he truly looks down on folks who would defend an Internet Apologist, what of the fact that he is defending James White, who is also an Internet Apologist by the same virtue? Keep on rejoicing. The Canon of Scripture (i.e, just what books actually belong in the Bible) cant be found in the individuals books that comprise the bible. Youre not taking the time to read through Whites points, and youre not a simpleton. Made Such a Big Deal about it on the other thread Both images are were created in humor, with the intent of adding some needed levity to the discussion and to point out the similarities between those who call Islam a religion of peace while demanding beheadings and the hypocrisy of those demanding charity in the Beckwith discussion while using the kind of ad hom seen here and the CA boards (as well as the silliness of registering jamesrwhite.org for the CA site.). Jesus. You know how Jimmy always wins those Catholic blog awards? Bible versions are, Westcott and Ive listened to James White. The url led to Catholic Answers. Maybe you were under the impression that you were going to be in a safe place to just share your journey and not be challenged? I follow the Bishops, because they are the successors to the Apostles (IOW, I believe in Apostolic succession, which, BTW, is in the Bible). Its like Nietzsche said: His disciples will have to look more saved if I am to believe in their Savior. Or like Chesterton said: There is only one unanswerable argument against Christianity: Christians. In this case, Catholics. I just wanted to clarify that I was the Greg who wrote about how to block referrals from Websites I am not the Greg that Thomas Aquinas wrote about. But I will reveal the truth to you: Its too late to save James White. To put it charitably. Or perhaps recalling a handful of protestant killers really does serve as proof that Romes killers werent so bad? The Revelation of Paul Given that you keep referring to James Whites arguments all the time, I think TeddyRuxpin would be a better handle. because the Bible told me to. The Acts of Paul I have a twilight zone feeling about it. Way to major in minors there, sport. heresy as not believing in repentance is ignorant. You. Sometimes human beings respond to what is disgusting with outrage. No I dont and I never did so Id appreciate it if youll write a recantation to that accusation. Friends, Good question, Esau. If you want a tattoo depicting both these Greek letters, then please read through this article. one King James Bible Only preacher who teaches Lordship Salvation. 500 posts, Hmmm. Yes, there have been, and they are also indefensible. Allow me to accentuate the latter part of your comments: Blecchh. Jeremiah, I keep coming back to this thread to see whatll happen next, because it just gets crazier and crazier. Well, thats true enough in its own way. Then let us no more pass judgment on one another, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. Bartholomew the disciple came to me in a vision and revealed to me a secret special knowledge: Q reads too many Ehrman and Pagels books. Appropriate As far as we know, it could have been nothing but grannies and babies calling him to charity. We did another Road Trip DL today from Lafayette, Louisiana where I will be speaking for the weekend. Mr. Akin calling Mr. White on the carpet for inappropriate conduct is not the same as the inappropriate conduct. Amazing so since theyre dead, they dont know anything??? Sola Scriptura is a central tenet of most of Protestant Christianity due to the fact that all operating Protestant doctrines must conform to its principles. Did you have something of substance you wanted to say, or were you just going to back me up in a sarcastic manner. I dont see why everyone else (necessarily) has mediated knowledge. They are not Christian. I have noticed that White has been especially hysterical about the Beckwith situation. It is his choice. [16], White is a Baptist[1] and a Calvinist. Besides being an author, Jimmy is the Senior Apologist at Catholic Answers, a contributing editor to Catholic Answers Magazine, and a weekly guest on "Catholic Answers Live." New Testament Reliability -Can you trust the Bible? Characterize it pejoratively as such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though Seriously, though, all of this is the face of [denominational] apologetics to me. 14 That henceforth we be no more children tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the wickedness of men, by cunning craftiness by which they lie in wait to deceive. If anyone does not abide in me, he shall be cast outside as the branch and wither; and they shall gather them up and cast them into the fire, and they shall burn (John 15:4-6). Alternatively, depending on your preferences, you can also choose a design like this. Moral equivalency. It was a specific instance of a humor piece by Dr. White that was at issue, here. Sooner or later, someone shows up in most of these threads to stick up for White. His methods of distortion are to Catholicism what Richard Dawkins is to Christianity in general he reads, but not too deep. He was not amused at all and later ripped me up on his no comment blog. And the best that Mr. White can do is say I won back in 1995! 602-973-4602 Gnosticism, that ancient heresy that the Church has constantly fought, is mainly characterized by two ideas: Inocencio Finally, he throws up his hands and says that this is the latest in a long series of bill912, Anymore ad hominem onel iners or are you actually going to deal with the picture issue and refute me? Even between St. Clement of Alexandria, Eusebius, for example! Dr White has created something that has the structure of a joke (he has joke competence), but it is not realized as a joke by a large portion of the audience (he has failed to elicit humor competence). 3. Jesus did not write, in a physical sense, any of the books that are included in Holy Scripture surely He could have nade it clear to even the most dense of us (me). I am one who in fact still holds a debt against someone who once intentionally did me great harm and never repented. That would be me calling you a liar, yes? He didnt just know the address. The Book of the Annals of the Kings of Israel Correlation B. Astronomical Data 1. . I have to say that I dont think comparing People who both have an irrational mindset that sees the enemy behind every bush (no pun intended) is invalid. With all due respect, I do not think you got the gist of what I was saying. What would you say if I told you that the only logical response to that quoted statement was that you had obviously not never listened to White at all? Esau, Im not trying to offend you but, thats not pertinent, what about the points made. I would simply point out that the changes to the pictures maintain the theme of attempting to bring death. The Question is, can they do anything about it? as being authors of particular books? Jimmy just seems to me to give very good example in this particular area. It just goes to demonstrate how INEXCUSABLE someone elses claims were! His incarnation is consistent with that. Thats ACs Law.// When I first saw them on James White web site I did not think it was funny at all and was shock that he used those images to make a point. Perhaps you should all look to your own for blanket, ad hominem attacks against Roman Catholicism proper. . I thought that this was an apologetics website, but I see little apologetics going on. The egos are getting out in force, mine included. Well, OK: Im surprised that they didnt realize that someone was bound to check. Luke is fourth generation in a long line of missionaries and full-time ministers of the Gospel going back to his great-grandfather in the early 1900s. How do I know his motivations? Anon and Carebear, This snippet begins with a rather bizarre straw-man argument subtly disguised as a jab at the Church. 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